Jackie ([info]fabulousfrock) wrote,

Florida vs. Maryland, grocery stores

I know everyone is probably tired of hearing about it by now, but I still am just flabbergasted by the grocery stores in these parts.

Grocery stores are odd because they're still very much regional, despite the best attempts of Wal-Mart and Super Target to change that. When I was a kid I didn't think Florida grocery stores were so bad. Florida is dominated by Publix. And Publix looks very nice. Their stores are clean, bright and pretty, their ads are some of the most attractive grocery store circulars around (in part because they are so minimalist--hardly anything is on sale, really, but there is plenty of room to give you a recipe), and I still maintain that their bakery makes some of the best indulgently crusty-outside, fluffy-inside, delicious bread of any grocery store.

The only other grocery stores I saw were usually in the south. Piggly Wiggly? All I can say is oof. The first time I got an indication that perhaps Publix wasn't all that was visiting my friend in Cincinnati. We were making tom kha gai, and we went to a Kroger. I was skeptical that we'd be able to get the true ingredients to tom kha gai in a Kroger. I had to go to Dong-A to get them back home, and Florida has a sizable southeast Asian population.

But Kroger had everything, the coconut milk and the appropriate chile peppers. Even lemongrass. My reaction was something like, "What the hell?" Why did I have to go to a specialty market for this? Who in Ohio really needed lemongrass more than me? I also happened to notice that their Florida oranges were cheaper than in Florida. My friend told me Kroger was based out of Cincy. Fine, I thought. Maybe this is just their showpiece grocery store.

But no. The grocery stores alone are worth getting my foodie butt out of Florida. If you're living on really common sale stuff you probably could live anywhere. But if you want good food, dear god, this place is heaven. My before-work lunch this week has been salmon wraps, comprised of teriyaki wild salmon burgers tucked in a whole wheat wrap smeared with half an avocado, with a few halved cherry tomatoes and a touch of salt.

SO GOOD.

I could never have afforded those ingredients for daily meals back home. And for every $100 you spend you get 10 cents off gas at the store gas station. Plus sometimes there are coupons and double points. This week my grocery bill was easily 25% cheaper than it would have been at home AND I paid 3.05 a gallon to fill the tank.

I've also noticed there are hardly any fast food restaurants around. There are plenty of local independent places to get a meal for $5 or so, but I don't even know where the closest McDonalds is right now. My town has 3,000 people, plus more in the surrounding countryside, and zero fast food restaurants. I can't imagine Orlando having 3,000 people unserved by a fast food restaurant... I hope this never changes! The local food culture is very strong around here, especially from the Pennsylvania Dutch. The food stores are heavy on egg noodles, donuts, pretzels, pretzel bread, potato bread, potato chips, any kind of dairy products, any kind of seafood, pork products, especially sausages and bacon, sauerkraut, apple cider, and root beer. Makes me think I should start a farm just to keep from getting fat...

I feel compelled to go on about this because since I've wanted to move to Maryland I've heard a lot about how Florida is SO cheap and Maryland is SO expensive because Florida has low taxes. But so far that is nonsense. At least, out here in Washington County. (Most of Maryland, as I well know, has rather expensive housing, so there is that.) Yes, I will pay state and county income taxes here, but food, gas and insurance are much cheaper which easily offsets that. (Property and sales tax are about the same.) (And for me, entertainment is also cheaper, as there are a lot of inexpensive or free museums, AND all the county library systems appear to be open to any state resident, whereas Florida libraries are restricted by county.)
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[info]olmue

February 20 2012, 18:20:44 UTC 3 months ago

It sounds fabulous! That's one thing I do love about moving--seeing new things and getting to buy things that are cheap in my new place.

My MIL always marvels that things that grow next door to her in southern California are often cheaper in Idaho. I have no idea how that happens, but it seems to be a universal oddity.

Grocery stores sure have their own culture, don't they? When we lived in Charleston, we were on one of the sea islands. For a single island, they have I think five grocery stores. Publix, to me, is the very yuppy sort of store. The people who shopped there all had a certain hairdo and a certain style of pale clothing and a certain physique (because they could all afford the same health clubs) and were a certain age (mostly 30s-50s). Then there was Piggly Wiggly, which was the sort of place you shopped if you were a man in your 20s-30s, maybe not highly intellectual, but still up and coming in your career. You love pulled pork and oyster food events (local specialty) and football. If you're a foodie, you shop at Harris Teeter, which has an extensive collection of imported cuisines, fabulous breads, and interesting produce. We got all our bulk couscous and sesame seeds there, for example, and if we wanted, we could even buy cherimoyas. We didn't go to Food Lion much. It had a much smaller produce section that wasn't very good, lots of prepackaged foods and frozen pizzas, and a big alcohol section. The clientele in our particular one consisted of men with shifty eyes who you might not want to live next door to. Also, the prices were high. And finally, we had Bi-Lo, which was really cheap (perhaps in all senses of the word?) Big, the place to go for basics when you just needed to go somewhere and not spend too much money. So if you were on the lower economic scale, this was your destination.

[info]fabulousfrock

February 20 2012, 18:41:07 UTC 3 months ago

Florida just doesn't have a lot of diversity, I think that might be the problem. A family friend once joked "turn right at the second Publix" and that is pretty accurate. Publix dominates Florida. I'm sure it makes up at least 50% of the grocery shopping options in the state. We also have Winn-Dixie which is like...a redneck store trying to improve itself. And Super Targets and Wal-Marts. That's about it. There are a few Albertsons...but most of them closed, and I can see why because Albertsons is expensive, kind of dirty, and not particularly great.

[info]olmue

February 20 2012, 18:45:06 UTC 3 months ago

We had Winn-Dixie in Texas. It was kind of the nicer grocery store there (er...no commentary on the area we lived in!) Albertsons is from Boise, so we have them here, too. Here, they are generically upscale and Very Expensive. I hardly ever go into ours, even though we have only two grocery stores in town. It kind of reminds me of Kroger, which has usually been overpriced wherever I've lived.

In any case, enjoy your new variety!

[info]fabulousfrock

February 21 2012, 15:17:45 UTC 3 months ago

I looked up where Albertsons has stores. How random! Wonder why they decided to come to Florida.

[info]robinellen

February 20 2012, 20:20:28 UTC 3 months ago

Interesting...I've never thought much about groceries. We have great stores (King Soopers, which is the CO version of Kroger, frex), and we always have double coupons and 10 cents per gallon off gas, etc. Plus, we have Vitamin Cottage (which is a local, family-owned string of stores) which sells organic foods and produce (and tons of vitamins) for very decent prices. I'm so glad you're finding such wonderful (and affordable and healthy) food out there!

[info]fabulousfrock

February 21 2012, 15:15:28 UTC 3 months ago

Double coupons, yes, that is another thing that all the stores do here and not in Florida! Boo! I actually had a coworker at Chamberlin's who used to work for Vitamin Cottage. She raved about it all the time.

[info]adaveen

February 20 2012, 20:41:53 UTC 3 months ago

Public is employee owned, and some of their 'jewel' stores have international and gourmet items. Because they're employee owned and employee thousands of Floridians from clerks to farmers, I try to buy there. </p>

But yeah, I was told that life in Florida was SO much cheaper than in Ohio. Bought that lie and learned differently with the first gallon of milk. It's so expensive, I can't afford to get out.

[info]adaveen

February 20 2012, 20:44:51 UTC 3 months ago

That was meant to be PUBLIX. I guess with autocorrect it could have been worse. </p>

Winn Dixie is dreadful. We have Sweetbay in Florida. Used to be Kash n Karry. It's a pretty nice store.

[info]fabulousfrock

February 21 2012, 15:13:43 UTC 3 months ago

I actually read a whole book on the story of Publix once. It was quite interesting! I do like that they are employee-owned and local, but...shopping at them was a constant source of frustration for me. The better ones have some decent stuff, but it's accordingly expensive. (And of course I lived near a whole bunch of really crappy Publixes anyway. Three within a few miles and NONE of them even had fresh sushi, much less a gourmet chocolate section. Boo!)

[info]adaveen

February 21 2012, 15:24:23 UTC 3 months ago

That's the problem - they're inconsistent. Ours down the street has a fresh sushi bar. The one by work has an English import section (mmm....hobnobs!)

But yeah, the prices are a bit on the high side.

[info]kellyrfineman

February 21 2012, 15:24:49 UTC 3 months ago

SO glad that you are loving your new place!!

[info]annecy_dit

February 22 2012, 03:05:04 UTC 3 months ago

You should try out Portland, Oregon. As a lactose intolerant vegetarian who loves all kinds of strange vegetables, it's a dream come true. So glad you like where you live!
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